• Re: Most memorable modern

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Wed Jun 4 08:12:00 2025
    Me also. Lately, the knee-jerk reaction to the corruption and mis-management is to pull the plugs on the programs all together, which still does nothing to the politicians who were abusing them while hurting those that actually did benefit.

    I think Milei has already shown the way, not we just need more people to follow.

    Musk tried that and screwed a bunch of stuff up because there are laws
    against that here. There *are* ways to do a lot of it legally, he just
    didn't bother to figure out how.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Wed Jun 4 08:13:00 2025
    It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI picks, and eventually none of the DEI picks showed up for the job. And then when they
    went to pick the next 3 best they had excluded they could not find them. Karma
    is a bitch..

    Sounds like the issue is picking "random" people, DEI or otherwise. If
    they felt like they had to pick "3 DEI," they should have picked the 3 best
    to start with and not 3 "random" ones.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Jun 4 18:41:09 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Wed Jun 04 2025 08:12 am


    Musk tried that and screwed a bunch of stuff up because there are laws against that here. There *are* ways to do a lot of it legally, he just didn't bother to figure out how.


    whats screwed up? i dont see anything screwed up.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to MRO on Thu Jun 5 07:48:00 2025
    Musk tried that and screwed a bunch of stuff up because there are laws against that here. There *are* ways to do a lot of it legally, he just didn't bother to figure out how.

    whats screwed up? i dont see anything screwed up.

    They fired a bunch of NWS employees. After a couple of deadly storm
    outbreaks, they are trying to hire a bunch of them back (125 at last count).

    Similar things happened at the FAA... fired a bunch of people then realized they needed a bunch of them back.

    There are other instances of them "firing" people but having to continue
    paying them, to not work, because the manner in which they were fired is legally questionable.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 5 18:42:19 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jun 05 2025 07:48 am

    whats screwed up? i dont see anything screwed up.

    They fired a bunch of NWS employees. After a couple of deadly storm outbreaks, they are trying to hire a bunch of them back (125 at last count).


    dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

    i'm sure a lot of them got the axe (if they even did) because they were supposed to reply back to that email and did not. on facebook there were people saying that they refused to do that email contact form.

    regarding the people in my area who got the axe, their jobs seemed like fake jobs where somehow they got in a position where they did very little or nothing.

    furthermore govt workers have the ability to use an internal site to transfer to other positions. i just think it was media hype mostly.

    that firing and rehiring shit happens frequently without elon.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Fri Jun 6 05:50:03 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Wed Jun 04 2025 08:13 am

    Sounds like the issue is picking "random" people, DEI or otherwise. If
    they felt like they had to pick "3 DEI," they should have picked the 3 best to start with and not 3 "random" ones.

    I think the problem there is there are many DEI candidates to pick from and human resources kind of asumes they aren't going to be good, therefore they don't care.

    I mean, the purpose of those 3 picks is not to work, it is to fill the statistics in the HR spreadshet.

    What bothers me is they kicked 3 candidates from the regular pool in order to bring people in who didn't even bother to show up later.

    Fuck this shit.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Sat Jun 7 10:24:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on
    Wed Jun 04 2025 08:13 am

    Sounds like the issue is picking "random" people, DEI or otherwise. If
    they felt like they had to pick "3 DEI," they should have picked the 3 best to start with and not 3 "random" ones.

    I think the problem there is there are many DEI candidates to pick from and human resources kind of asumes they aren't going to be good,
    therefore they don't care.

    I mean, the purpose of those 3 picks is not to work, it is to fill the statistics in the HR spreadshet.

    What bothers me is they kicked 3 candidates from the regular pool in
    order to bring people in who didn't even bother to show up later.

    Fuck this shit.

    As a hiring manager, you have to wonder whether good candidates, who
    happened to be White and/or male were filtered out by HR.

    I know that HR *DO* engage in selection based on race and gender. DEI
    and quotas have legalised this behaviour.

    The most troubling thing, is HR is mostly White Women, who seem to
    think that working against White Men is in their interest. Bizarre.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Fri Jun 6 09:44:00 2025
    whats screwed up? i dont see anything screwed up.

    They fired a bunch of NWS employees. After a couple of deadly storm outbreaks, they are trying to hire a bunch of them back (125 at last count)

    dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

    Not to this degree it does not.

    i'm sure a lot of them got the axe (if they even did) because they were supposed to reply back to that email and did not. on facebook there were people saying that they refused to do that email contact form.

    You should never respond to someone without going through your chain of command. It looked very much like a potential phishing scheme, which is something you should never respond to. I have seen the email and would
    have reported it to our IT Security team.

    regarding the people in my area who got the axe, their jobs seemed like fake jobs where somehow they got in a position where they did very little or nothing.

    That is possible. If it is dealt with through the proper channels, then
    you get them fired, they stay fired, and you don't have to keep paying them
    to do nothing.

    that firing and rehiring shit happens frequently without elon.

    Not to the extent that it happened here.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Fri Jun 6 09:42:00 2025
    Sounds like the issue is picking "random" people, DEI or otherwise. If they felt like they had to pick "3 DEI," they should have picked the 3 best
    to start with and not 3 "random" ones.

    I think the problem there is there are many DEI candidates to pick from and human resources kind of asumes they aren't going to be good, therefore they don't care.

    That is a screwed up way to think about it. You can get what looks like a
    "DEI candidate" (to persons who care) but who is also really, really good at what they do.

    I mean, the purpose of those 3 picks is not to work, it is to fill the statistics in the HR spreadshet.

    See above. You can check off the box and get a good worker. That is not anywhere near impossible if HR is doing their job.

    Now, if the whole process was to get *7* jobs filled, and hire three people
    to check boxes that you know won't show up, that is something else... and
    is also messed up, just in a different way.

    What bothers me is they kicked 3 candidates from the regular pool in order to bring people in who didn't even bother to show up later.

    Fuck this shit.

    Still sounds like their damn fault for assuming those who could "check
    their boxes" could also be good workers.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Jun 7 08:27:00 2025
    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
    "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.

    The issue is how to remedy it without punishing those that are not involved
    in perpetuating the prejudice. Most of what our government will likely
    come up with will likely involve "punishing" the general populace
    (including the persons supposedly being remedied to) while doing very
    little to any politicians or business leaders who are playing active roles
    in these issues.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    This in particular is really stupid. Why bother? It only costs money to
    do what they are doing. If they are famous and successful, they should be celebrated as "American success stories" rather than actively suppressing
    their memories.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Sat Jun 7 08:33:00 2025
    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

    Google "US renaming Tubman" to find something regarding the renaming of
    naval ships. IMHO, it was a little odd to name ships after civil
    rights leaders, social activists, and Supreme Court members who weren't in the Navy.

    That isn't saying that some of them, like Tubman, don't have a very
    significant place in our country's history, as they do, but I think it was
    a little weird they named a ship after Ruth Bader Ginsberg to begin with.
    That said, it was done and I don't really support spending the time,
    effort, and money on changing these things.

    They have also considered renaming a military base or two. Fort Cavazos,
    the former Ft Hood, is one that has been floated as up for a possible
    rename (back to Ft Hood). The person it was renamed after is a former
    military man -- a four star general -- so the name makes more sense. But, since he's hispanic (and Hood was CSA), having his name on it is "DEI."

    Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
    from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
    like the renaming of military installations because they had
    "offensive" names?

    I didn't necessarily support the renaming of Ft. Hood but, now that it is
    done and (IMHO) it was renamed after someone deserving, I don't support changing it again. It was wasteful then and would be wasteful now.

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
    problem be "fixed"?

    I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government
    would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 7 14:09:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Jun 06 2025 09:44 am


    dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

    Not to this degree it does not.


    how do you know? you are only going off what the media is telling you.

    You should never respond to someone without going through your chain of command. It looked very much like a potential phishing scheme, which is something you should never respond to. I have seen the email and would
    have reported it to our IT Security team.


    their bosses told them to fill it out.

    I had my HR have me fill out an employment survey. it didn't some from my boss. it came right from HR. I did the exact same thing, i explained my duties and expressed any concerns and i got to meet with them again and i got a pay raise and i got my job matrix fixed. stop acting like this shit doesn't happen.

    media has you on a hook. quit being a simp for the media, dude.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 7 19:26:13 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

    Google "US renaming Tubman" to find something regarding the renaming of naval ships. IMHO, it was a little odd to name ships after civil
    rights leaders, social activists, and Supreme Court members who weren't
    in the Navy.

    Agreed, very odd. Not acceptable, even.

    That isn't saying that some of them, like Tubman, don't have a very significant place in our country's history, as they do, but I think it
    was a little weird they named a ship after Ruth Bader Ginsberg to begin with. That said, it was done and I don't really support spending the
    time, effort, and money on changing these things.

    Fully agree on the significance of Tubman, just not on the chosen method
    of recognition. No way that RBG gets that honor, other than DEI. I'm
    for changing both of those ship names. There are others, too - I
    recently saw something about the USS Harvey Milk being considered for re-naming also. Another 100% DEI thing, and should be un-done.

    They have also considered renaming a military base or two. Fort
    Cavazos, the former Ft Hood, is one that has been floated as up for a possible rename (back to Ft Hood). The person it was renamed after is
    a former military man -- a four star general -- so the name makes more sense. But, since he's hispanic (and Hood was CSA), having his name on
    it is "DEI."

    Just another un-doing of a mistake by Biden and company. Like it or
    not, the Civil War and the CSA are parts of our history.

    Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
    from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
    like the renaming of military installations because they had
    "offensive" names?

    I didn't necessarily support the renaming of Ft. Hood but, now that it
    is done and (IMHO) it was renamed after someone deserving, I don't
    support changing it again. It was wasteful then and would be wasteful now.

    Send the bill to Biden.

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
    problem be "fixed"?

    I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could
    stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
    on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

    Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't
    right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
    generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
    wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jun 8 10:27:00 2025
    dude that shit happens all the time in the govt. i think that was just some shit the media was focusing on.

    Not to this degree it does not.

    how do you know? you are only going off what the media is telling you.

    media has you on a hook. quit being a simp for the media, dude.

    One of us has spent most of their life working for the government and has a pretty good knowledge of how things work, and how they (don't) work if
    someone tries to break them.

    The other one apparently gets their info from some sort of media, maybe
    social, and maybe straight from the accounts of Trump and Musk.

    So I think the more pertinent question is how do *you* know?


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Sun Jun 8 10:47:00 2025
    I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
    on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

    Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
    generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
    wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

    Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However,
    there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond
    the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued until at least
    the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

    What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet of
    our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from
    having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate
    if they do not remain downtrodden.

    Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 8 14:24:05 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:27 am

    One of us has spent most of their life working for the government and has a pretty good knowledge of how things work, and how they (don't) work if someone tries to break them.

    i've worked for and WITH the govt and I have family members who worked for the govt their entire lives.

    The other one apparently gets their info from some sort of media, maybe social, and maybe straight from the accounts of Trump and Musk.

    So I think the more pertinent question is how do *you* know?

    Which one is which? are you saying that's me?
    I dont pay attention to trump or elon musk.

    nice try simp
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 8 14:58:30 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

    Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
    generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
    wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

    Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However, there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued
    until at least the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

    Yes, it's true that discrimination continued long after the Civil War,
    and to some extent is still happening today. But again it's a problem
    of who is to blame, and how to "correct" it. Not something easy to
    answer or solve.

    What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet
    of our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate if they do not remain downtrodden.

    100% correct. It's like many of the bad things going on today... This,
    wars, tradewars, cold wars, more. There are always a small group of
    people who benefit tremendously from these things, and although they say otherwise, they WANT them to continue. Race relations (as you said
    above), and the RUS/UKR war are great examples. Lots of money being
    made by a few on both of these issues, and those people will not *LET*
    the issues end.

    Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.

    I'm not so sure that I'm seeing this happen, at least around here.



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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 8 20:32:19 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Sat Jun 07 2025 08:33 am

    They have also considered renaming a military base or two.

    Already happened here. Ft. Lee in Petersburg VA, 30 miles south of me has a new name as does Ft. A.P. Hill 20 miles north of me.

    All paid for with Taxpayer money I'm sure... more waste.

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